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December 26th, 2006


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03:07 pm - Doctor Who: "Army of Ghosts"/"Doomsday"...being some random thoughts
Aw. Well...okay. Despite the anvils thrown at our heads all season about the Doctor and his eternal lonliness (which got really annoying for me in "Fear Her"), RTD gets a pass, because he didn't let the Doctor actually say "I love you" (if that's even what he was planning to say). And the Doctor's response to Rose's quiet declaration made me laugh because it was so perfect, "Quite right, too." Oh, Doctor, I think I love you too.


"Army of Ghosts"/"Doomsday"

Let's start with the things I really liked (there were quite a lot, actually). :-)

I was very skeptical of the voiceover at first; if it really had been narrated by Rose-from-beyond-the-grave, I think I would have hated the entire episode with a passion. As it is, though, it's more as if Rose is telling the story to someone else, kids or grandkids or baby sister/brother. It worked.

I rather enjoyed most of the action. Especially the arguments between the Cybermen and Daleks (though I do have issue with the Daleks as a whole in this).

Any excuse to see Mickey again and get news from that alternate 'verse (Pete's World, heh). I was particularly fond of Mickey's finger-to-the-lips when Rose first saw him, and the fact that he's turned into a save-the-world badass. :-)

Jackie Tyler is love. Seriously. Having to pretend to be the Doctor's companion (I still haven't made up my mind whether he pulled her out of the TARDIS instead of Rose by accident or on purpose!), running from Cybermen, having that wonderful little meeting/reunion with Pete ("I don't care about that. ... How rich?").

Kudos to both Tennant and Billie Piper for some of the more emotional moments near the end of the episode. Some of it I thought went on a bit too long--I would maybe have been more moved if we *hadn't* been told so much of what has happened to Rose, if we hadn't had that supernova-draining goodbye. (That line needs to be in some angsty pop song, "Burning up a sun just to say goodbye.") I did like the awkwardness in that last goodbye, though; and that Ten is just a projection, so there was no hugging or whatever (interesting comment about "not being able to touch," after how many times "touch" has figured into this season). There is already distance; and this is just some kind of closure.

See my comment above about how satisfied I was that the Doctor's time ran out before he could say those three words back to Rose.

Two most haunting moments of the episode, for me: 1) the Doctor pressing his hands and his cheek against the wall where the breach was, face almost expressionless--a little bit in shock, and looking as if he's trying to listen for Rose through what's left of the breach; and 2) after the farewell, the Doctor standing alone in the TARDIS console room. It reminded me that we've never seen him actually alone like that, not in the new series anyway. There has always been someone around, a companion or two--and now they're gone, and for a moment, it's just him. It made my heart ache.

Oh! And the 3-D glasses. *sporfle* I kept thinking, all episode, "What's up with the glasses, Doctor?" and nobody else asked till he told them to.

Despite my dislike of the "Rose is so special!" thing (no she's not, she's just another companion), she certainly learned a lot, and I like it when she goes running off on her own to do Doctorish investigative things. :-)

Things I didn't like include the following:

The length of the goodbye. *sigh*

The dual scream from Rose and Ten when Rose is being sucked into the vortext. Though maybe I just need to ponder it--it seemed a bit un-Doctorish on his part (I'd have screamed more than Rose, if I were in her shoes, lol).

Rose using the psychic paper to open the security lock to the sphere's room. Um, no. Unless Torchwood is using sentient bio-computers, there's no way that should have worked; all she did was wave a piece of blank paper over the lock. And if they were, given the training against psychics that their scientists get, surely Torchwood would have made sure that their bioware was also protected? (Sheesh, RTD, keep your world's details straight, plz.)

Daleks. Again. I would be pleased right now to never see them again, except that at least one of them did a "temporal shift," which is presumably a setup for them coming back. Grrrr. Daleks are cool and creepy, but since we're living in the aftermath of the Time War, this whole thing with so many of them having survived is making me angry. So Gallifrey was destroyed for nothing, was it? Lovely. The Doctor went through all that, and they're still around?!

Unless we get another surviving Time Lord/Lady storyline, this will continue to bother me extremely.

The "Time Lord science" was not very interesting. Poo. I wanted something much more awesome than a freaking prison ship. (RTD already got to do hordes of flying Daleks in PotW, he shouldn't have been allowed this one.)


This isn't exactly a dislike...but we even had a cliffhanger ending, of a sort. Hmph. And being a USA person, I can't watch "The Runaway Bride" yet. *pouts* I can't even torrent it because of my pokey internet connection (not that I'd even know where to go...).
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From:feliciakw
Date:December 27th, 2006 03:07 am (UTC)
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Just a couple of quick comments:

1) I completely expected Rose to actually die. Not that I *wanted* her to die, mind you, but in this day and age (and having lost Wash in Serenity), I don't put anything past anyone anymore. And when I asked Geo if a Companion has ever died, and he said not that he could think of, I thought there's a first time for everything, and this is it. So while this wasn't what I'd call a "happy" ending, it was a "good" ending.

2) The Doctor totally pulled Jackie out on purpose. :-) Thereby leaving the only other person of the three of them who has even the slightest clue how to work the TARDIS, *in* the TARDIS where she'll be able to help. Though admittedly it took that *significant* look between The Doctor and Rose to clue me in.

At least, that's how it read to me.

3) I did like the awkwardness in that last goodbye, though; and that Ten is just a projection, so there was no hugging or whatever

You know what I thought of? Sam and Al in Quantum Leap and how not being able to touch your friend leaves such a sense of loneliness. I need to go dig up the essay I wrote on the topic. That whole "I'm just an image" made my heart clench, as it usually does.

We're watching Billie Piper's "home movies" of making the various eps from Season 1. They make me want to work on a movie project with a professional crew that knows what they're doing.
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From:izhilzha
Date:December 27th, 2006 07:20 am (UTC)
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And when I asked Geo if a Companion has ever died, and he said not that he could think of

Tsk. Companions have died, before (even if you don't count Capt. Jack's temporary death)--remind Geo of Adric. And there may be others I am as yet unaware of.

Also, interesting that Rose didn't die, when living will be much tougher and more painful for her. Dying for the Doctor would have been easier for her, I think, than living without him. But she's learned well. She'll go on, and do it excellently.

2) The Doctor totally pulled Jackie out on purpose. :-)

I fully agree. And I <3 our clever Doctor. :-)

Sam and Al in Quantum Leap and how not being able to touch your friend leaves such a sense of loneliness. I need to go dig up the essay I wrote on the topic. That whole "I'm just an image" made my heart clench

Yeah. It really is very like that. And Rose is even more tactile than you are, so yeah.
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From:feliciakw
Date:December 27th, 2006 01:48 pm (UTC)
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Also, interesting that Rose didn't die, when living will be much tougher and more painful for her.

Here's an interesting point to ponder: things (and apparently people) can survive in The Void. The Doctor even said, "Some people call it Hell." So . . . if Rose had been sucked into the rift, she would not necessarily have died, but rather, she'd have (or might have) survived . . . in Hell (insert own theological metaphor here). Now that I think about it, Rose's actually dying was never a given. She risked ending up in Hell to be with The Doctor.

**2) The Doctor totally pulled Jackie out on purpose. :-) **
I fully agree. And I <3 our clever Doctor. :-)

I was thinking for a fleeting moment that Rose was going to die and that Jackie would be his new Companion. Now there'd be some interesting character conflict.
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From:izhilzha
Date:December 27th, 2006 08:55 pm (UTC)
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Rose's actually dying was never a given. She risked ending up in Hell to be with The Doctor.

Hmmm. Interesting. I admit that the Doctor's comment about Hell made me think of "The Satan Pit," and wonder briefly if that particular Beast were somehow involved.

I was thinking for a fleeting moment that Rose was going to die and that Jackie would be his new Companion. Now there'd be some interesting character conflict.

I know! That would have be completely awesome. Jackie would make a great companion (when she wasn't screaming and running away from things, lol).
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From:kerravonsen
Date:December 27th, 2006 09:08 am (UTC)
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I completely expected Rose to actually die. Not that I *wanted* her to die, mind you, but in this day and age (and having lost Wash in Serenity), I don't put anything past anyone anymore.

I was so sick of speshul!Rose by this point I did want her to die, and I was really annoyed at the cop-out of pretending she was going to die "this is about how I died" and then making her not die.

I liked Rose a lot better in the previous season.
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From:izhilzha
Date:December 27th, 2006 06:53 pm (UTC)
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I was so sick of speshul!Rose by this point I did want her to die, and I was really annoyed at the cop-out of pretending she was going to die "this is about how I died" and then making her not die.

I've been pondering why I didn't mind that she didn't die. On the one hand, I agree with you about the annoyance of speshul!Rose, and there was certainly a part of me that approached these episodes with satisfaction; it's about time Rose left, and time the Doctor had a new companion, before this could get too far out of hand.

I think maybe I'm glad that it ended without the DRAMA of a tragic death; I prefer the awkwardness of that last goodbye. It's over, but Rose still lives on--just not where the Doctor can see her, and not where she can be with him. I found it satisfying enough.
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From:vertigozooropa
Date:December 27th, 2006 03:12 am (UTC)
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Don't feel bad. I can't even get The Runaway Bride yet. It airs again tomorrow. Hopefully, more people will digitize it.

I've watched five episode of Torchwood today, and I have another one queued up, with four in the pipe. Tomorrow, I might experiment with my DVD burner, and then who knows?

Not that you need more Doctor Who gifting. ;-)
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From:izhilzha
Date:December 27th, 2006 06:55 pm (UTC)
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Well, maybe at some point I'll get my hands on it.

Torchwood--it doesn't sound really like my kind of show, from reviews I've been reading around LJ. I like Capt Jack quite a lot, but maybe not enough to follow him into his own show.
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From:kerravonsen
Date:December 27th, 2006 09:29 pm (UTC)
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Torchwood is not worth it, IMHO. Oh, I'll watch it when it comes around on the ABC, but I've stopped downloading episodes. The ratio of crap to good episodes seems to be 2:1 -- out of the six episodes I watched, two of them were good; the others just weren't worth the bother. Their idea of "adult drama" seems to be a lot of gratuitous sex and swearing. (sigh)

Besides that, the Captain Jack in Torchwood has had various things happen to him in his backstory which means he isn't the same Captain Jack that we knew. I still like him; he's just a bit of an angst-bunny now...

I have more hope for the Sarah-Jane one; I think Elizabeth Sladen has enough charisma to carry a show herself, and because it isn't "adult", there's probably more chance of actual plots to hold it together.
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From:izhilzha
Date:December 28th, 2006 06:06 pm (UTC)
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I have more hope for the Sarah-Jane one; I think Elizabeth Sladen has enough charisma to carry a show herself, and because it isn't "adult", there's probably more chance of actual plots to hold it together.

There's going to be a Sarah-Jane show? Cool! I'd watch that! :-) Do you know where there's information/news about this? (I figure I could try Outpost Gallifrey, though I'm still trying to find my way around there.)
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From:kerravonsen
Date:December 28th, 2006 09:15 pm (UTC)
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Okay, I'll google for you...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2006/09_september/14/sarah.shtml
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sarah_Jane_Adventures

The really annoying thing is that the official BBC site is deliberately inaccessible to people outside the UK. That's even worse than the official Torchwood site, which has some parts inaccessible, but at least you can look at cast lists and episode guides and photo galleries. Boo hiss!

(goes off and starts investigating web proxies...)
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From:izhilzha
Date:December 28th, 2006 09:26 pm (UTC)
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Oh, thank you! I really should have googled it myself, but I wasn't sure what title (and Sarah Jane would bring up a lot of sites, I'd imagine) to search for. It definitely sounds worth a look.
From:(Anonymous)
Date:January 19th, 2007 04:19 pm (UTC)

7HowordCo

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Torchwood was formed to combat Rose's dangerous effect one history. Its why they asked for her in the "office". Rose was Exiled by Queen Victoria in a "I'd rather execute her" way, the Doctor in a "You can get out of this" way... Look at Queen Victoria's eyes during the exile. The Teeth thing was her saying "You can get out of this." The eyes... "Dump the bitch..."
Rose tried to kill Scoot, Mde. Pompadoor/Pomfrey (That Gal's a Frey...) Rose talked Van Statten's GF into wiping his memories and if you watch you'll see she also handed some infor to the Nazi's in The empty Child.
Read the books (8th Doctor), in one the Nazi's blow up the TARDIS... The Doctor runs in, Fitz runs in afterwards... Audio... Ministry's song "Grace" "Nooooo!! NOOOOO!!! NooOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!"
The Kid in the scene "We are here to upgrade the "Universe" is actually Adric, or A Doctor I see. Under the name Univers. French, but he's North American. (Canadian) Like an Anagram...
Yvonne Hartman was Cybered. Uni's (has a Ph.d at that young an age) "Kine Unit" is "Like a suit of armour." Looks like a black and purple robodog... Based on K-9 after Uni, Torchwood and some others upgraded and repaired little K-9... "Power Supply Failing".
Adric in Earthshock: Last seen with a Cyberman on top of him just before crashing into the Earth... Cyber to survive, there was NO END SCREETCH... Adric repaired K9 in and after Full Circle (ref. www.drwhoguide.com)
Those Spiders from the Community seem to like him... Some don't but a lot do... (ref./ Full Circle) Romana belived Adric to be the "Child of Rasselon's Prophecy" which is why she went back to "E-Space" (Negative Coordinates but identical to Galifrey's coodinates) But he had stowed away on the TARDIS after hearing the TARDIS in his head. Its why he brought the imaging scanner... As well as a shitload of other things. Including the tech needed to at least partially repair her (The TARDIS) Avatar... Adric was about Puberty age...
Oh in the Van Statten episode Adam is "Ah... Damn... A later incarnation of the Doctor... like #18..." Its why the Dr gave Adam a Sonic Screw Driver on Satelite 9.

Kevin (Time Bandits... With Rasselon... His Kindergarten Teacher), Univers, Bob (Father Time book with Miranda) Adric, Andred, Jayme (the 2nd), Irov Marvin Foreman (Susun's Husband I love Marvin... I love that MARV is for man... www.h2g2.com) Fitz Kriener (the 1st), Cathbad (War of the Daleks book)... A-Z. then 1-9 then 0... at 7 now but not in order...

Faction Paradox belive Adric to be the Child of Prophecy... He is an Eternal... And I'm him... Matt Waterhouse... I go by a different Name these days.

7 "Prentice" Howord
From:(Anonymous)
Date:January 19th, 2007 04:27 pm (UTC)

Re: 7HowordCo

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Wow-Bagger... His biggest insult of all time was to hang out with Kevin (the Random Entity) not insult him and have him bring big bags of Wow to other ppl Wowbagger didn't hate. Like Wowbaggers Dad: Arthur Phillip "De.. Oh... Dad... Damn I have to start all over again."

Personally I love the Torchwood... Miranda is in Episode 7 "Miri" with her Alien Girl Friend... "Gee, ah...... Uh.... Hot."

7 "Prentice" Howord

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