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July 7th, 2005


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08:44 am - Argh, this is horrible.... *flashes back to the morning of 9/11*
I was getting ready for my day, and plotting an LJ post about a Snape/BTVS dream I had last night, when my roommate came barrelling out of her room to turn on the TV.

My first thought? "My gosh, MI-5 has come to life."

Followed by a certain amount of shame, and by the fear that this will be seen as somehow America's fault. In a way, I suppose, it might be: Britain has been one of the few nations supporting us during this whole thing, and it's not a stretch to imagine London being targeted in retaliation.


I hate this. The reporters kept dragging up the "war on terror" phrase again, which I think is something of a misnomer. If this is a war, it's an unwinnable one. Honestly, I think might be partly why Bush went ahead with the war in Iraq. It's an attempt to find the people behind all this shit, and confront them directly. We can't be sure when they'll strike or who they'll victimize unless we have engaged them in warfare. It's an attempt to control the kind of damage they can do.

It may not be working, but at least we're not sitting on our butts waiting to be bombed.


My prayers are with everyone in the UK, and particularly London.
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From:(Anonymous)
Date:July 7th, 2005 04:35 pm (UTC)
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Honestly, I think might be partly why Bush went ahead with the war in Iraq. It's an attempt to find the people behind all this shit, and confront them directly. We can't be sure when they'll strike or who they'll victimize unless we have engaged them in warfare. It's an attempt to control the kind of damage they can do.

I really hate to get in political discussions, but as far as I see, the War in Iraq will create many more terrorists than it stops, especially as mishandled as it's been.

For a while now, a blog of a woman around our age in Baghdad has been on my regularly-checked-blogs list. Details bits of everyday life under the occupation. That's what's amazing about the Information Age, it's possible to learn what's going on on the other side, and in this case it doesn't seem to be pretty.

-JD
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From:izhilzha
Date:July 7th, 2005 05:14 pm (UTC)
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Okay, I hate political "discussions" too, so I'll limit my reply, here.

Please reread my post, and note that I use words like "attempt". I don't think we'll know the full impact until 50 years from now, like most of life.

As for "mishandled," that's always possible. However, I tend to get tired of hearing that from people who simply are blanket pacifists (not in the true sense of the word, whose beliefs I highly respect) or blanket liberals. People should offer options, or it's tempting to think they aren't capable of thinking in practical terms.

For a while now, a blog of a woman around our age in Baghdad has been on my regularly-checked-blogs list.

I'd be quite interested in reading that blog--could you send me the link?

Details bits of everyday life under the occupation. That's what's amazing about the Information Age, it's possible to learn what's going on on the other side, and in this case it doesn't seem to be pretty.

*sigh* When is it ever? Anyone who goes into war thinking it won't be like that, when we have loads of history that says otherwise, just isn't thinking. There were horrible atrocities committed on the "right" side of what I consider to be the most morally justifiable war in history (the Allied side of WWII).

I wish people could strike a balance between calling for peace and for taking the utmost care if war becomes the only option, and demanding that pratical warfare concerns take precedence over human life.

But I'm not sure we'll ever get there.
From:(Anonymous)
Date:July 7th, 2005 05:51 pm (UTC)
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Please reread my post, and note that I use words like "attempt". I don't think we'll know the full impact until 50 years from now, like most of life.

I know, I realized what you were saying only after posting.

People should offer options, or it's tempting to think they aren't capable of thinking in practical terms.

Options, now? Difficult. Options, then, say at the start of the war? Focus on rebuilding infrastructure, services, returning the public's life to as normal as possible as soon as possible. If people are at least content, that can only help stability. Now...if America pulls out now, they'll have a most likely religious-extremist government take control or quite possibly, descent into warlordism. But if they stay....continued attacks and mounting hate. It's a lousy situation.

I'd be quite interested in reading that blog--could you send me the link?

http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com

A note: River's blog often contains invective against Bush, his administration and the occupation forces, but considering the source and descriptions of what the occupation has brought, I consider the feelings somewhat understandable.

Also, a blog that thoroughly interested me around the time of the invasion was Salam Pax's, at http://dear_raed.blogspot.com/, but he's left the country and hasn't updated in months. His accounts of the ground war and the events leading up are fascinating, tho.

During the fighting, he wasn't heard of for weeks and I actually started to worry for him. When you get to know another person and what they think...it's no longer so general.

-JD
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From:izhilzha
Date:July 7th, 2005 08:12 pm (UTC)
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Please reread my post, and note that I use words like "attempt". I don't think we'll know the full impact until 50 years from now, like most of life.

I know, I realized what you were saying only after posting.


Yeah, sorry, that was a bit harsh...I'm not in a good mood today. :-P

Options, now? Difficult. Options, then, say at the start of the war? Focus on rebuilding infrastructure, services, returning the public's life to as normal as possible as soon as possible. If people are at least content, that can only help stability. Now...if America pulls out now, they'll have a most likely religious-extremist government take control or quite possibly, descent into warlordism. But if they stay....continued attacks and mounting hate. It's a lousy situation.

I think they tried, from what I recall of the early days of this particular war. But yes, it is certainly a lousy situation.

Thanks for the blog links!

When you get to know another person and what they think...it's no longer so general.

I agree completely. I am much more comfortable with taking care of the smaller picture, with condemning those for whom the ends justify the means.

That said, I've also come to the conclusion that we need those who can manipulate the big picture without getting bogged down in every soldier's ethical decisions. The ends still don't justify the means, but in a global society, people do have to keep the ends in view.

I could never do that, so I leave it to those who can bear that necessary task.
From:(Anonymous)
Date:July 13th, 2005 06:19 pm (UTC)
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Don't know if you'll see this late comment, but found something quite amusing:

To quote an old Londoner who lived through the Blitz and got caught up in the Canary Wharf explosion: "I've been blown up by a better class of bastard than this!"
From:(Anonymous)
Date:July 13th, 2005 06:21 pm (UTC)
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That was me. The poster, not the old Londoner.

-JD

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