September 22nd, 2009
|10:03 pm - ...Northern English accents|
Um. So. I'm getting very distracted from the story I'm writing because I realized that the Ninth Doctor has a Northern accent, but it sounds different (to my untaught American ear) than Sam Tyler's accent. (Most notably, I don't recall all of Nine's "u"s sounding like "oo"--Sam does that ALL the time, "Real...oonreal," etc.)
Having done some online research, it appears that "Northern" really means "any of several dozen variations, often in areas not many kilometers apart."
Basically, if Sam Tyler met Nine, where might he think Nine was from? Be as specific as you like. :)
And if you have no idea, do you have any suggestions as to where I might find an answer to this question?
Current Mood: nerdy
I don't know Sam Tyler, but Nine is pure Scouse.
Hagrid was more Yorkshire, but I think the actor does a good Scouse too. Have you seen Cracker? Got both Christopher Eccleston and Robbie Coltrane. Not good for kids, but the first 2 seasons were excellent.
|Date:||September 23rd, 2009 05:42 am (UTC)|| |
Ah, thank you!
(Sam is supposed to be a native of Manchester. I believe the actor, John Simm, grew up in Yorkshire but I would have to check to be sure.)
I just recently became aware of Cracker, and plan to watch it as soon as I can--it sounds like it would be right up my alley! :) Unfortunately Netflix is having issues; only series 2 is available at the moment.
Check out youtube. I'm watching an ep right now.
Eccleston is from Salford, which is just south of Manchester (some people will tell you it is in Manchester, but while this is now geographically and administratively true, Salfordians will laugh this to scorn). Simm is actually from West Yorkshire (there is a big difference between Lancashire and Yorkshire, but Southerners can rarely keep them apart.
Nine sounds like a Salford lad who went to a grammar school and probably then to university (stubbornly trying to keep his accent, but none the less worn down a bit by the influence of non-Northerners...) Of course, Sam is canonically from Manchester, whatever his accent, so it's not implausible that he could locate Nine as from Salford (my grandfather, who lived in East Lancashire, used to be able to pin people down to districts within towns; of course, it got harder as people got more mobile, but it's not impossible).
(Nine's not pure Mancunian, he sounds like he's from south of there, which is probably where Kizmet gets Scouse from, but he doesn't sound at all Liverpudian to me. Vowels possibly a bit Scouse, but he hasn't got the characteristic melody).
|Date:||September 23rd, 2009 09:52 am (UTC)|| |
Though I couldn't pinpoint where Nine is "from" in terms of his accent, I agree that he doesn't sound at all Liverpudlian.
Yes, of course, Manchester, not Liverpool. Blame the late night post.
|Date:||September 23rd, 2009 08:54 pm (UTC)|| |
Ah, well, a worn-down accent would perhaps account for some of the differences I'm hearing. But having Nine sound like he's from just south of Manchester...works like gangbusters for this story, so yay. :)
(Of course now I'm terribly curious as to whether John Simm's accent is "off" for Sam's canonical origins. Augh, my brain, sometimes it just won't shut up....)