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June 19th, 2006


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04:35 pm - Personal ficcish indulgence
I re-found the Ultimate Mary-Sue Litmus Test, and decided to measure up some of my OFCs (I don't have many) against its measurements. One of these is an RPG character I played, the other four characters from stories I worked hard on at some point, though only one is finished, two others have been abandoned, and the third is in progress.

I actually scored somewhat better than I thought I might. :-)

Yay me.



Personal results of the Mary-Sue litmus test on my Original Characters:

1. Gina Pavlatos (The Sentinel; series of partially written stories in which she plays a role. Only one--Scents of Celebration--has been finished so far.)

Mary-Sue score: 24

(16-30 A fanfic character can go either way at this point, so authors should maintain a healthy amount of caution here.)

Yay! I was trying hard to make Gina real, and I appear to have at least partially suceeded (she's Blair's love interest, so of course she get some points in this assessment).

2. Anastasia (future movie-verse X-Men; story never finished)

Mary-Sue score: 35

(31+ Fanfic authors, you've got a Mary-Sue on your hands. There is a chance that you can save character with a little help, though.)

Can't say that's a surprise; Ana was a more blatant self-insertion than I'd ever written.

3. Aryn K’hil (Star Wars, Old Republic; Grief Is Not the Opposite of Peace)

Mary-Sue score: 20

(16-30 A fanfic character can go either way at this point, so authors should maintain a healthy amount of caution here.)

*whew* I worried about her a little, because I basically just wanted an excuse to write someone interacting with a younger Qui-Gon Jinn. But she seems to pull through rather well here.

4. [Name Unknown], because I haven't reread this attempt in a long, long time (ReBoot; retired Guardian helps out in Mainframe, unfinished series of alt-season 3 stories)

Mary-Sue score: 28

(16-30 A fanfic character can go either way at this point, so authors should maintain a healthy amount of caution here.)

Wow, I expected her to score higher. I wonder if I didn't mark some areas correctly.

5. Artsy-Fartsy (artistic superhero; RPG character for the League of Intergalactic Cosmic Champions)

Mary-Sue score: 31

(31+ Role-players, take heed. Watch and ask other players to determine whether or not your character is getting on their nerves.)

Hmmm. What do my fellow RPGers say to this? jd3000? scorptilicus?


Well, that was fun. Back to work, now.
Current Mood: amusedamused

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From:lapinguina
Date:June 20th, 2006 12:27 am (UTC)
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I just took that quiz as if Amita were my character, and scored 187.
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From:izhilzha
Date:June 20th, 2006 12:33 am (UTC)
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*helpless giggles*

I don't know if that should count, being that you're an Amita-hater. Ideally, a neutral party should do it, to get a more objective answer.

Unfortunately, there's no such thing in fandom, is there?

And that said, that's still darn funny.
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From:lapinguina
Date:June 20th, 2006 12:53 am (UTC)
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The funny thing is, I took it as if I were an Amita fan - I'd want to be friends with the character, she has a lot of attributes I also have, etc.
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From:izhilzha
Date:June 20th, 2006 12:55 am (UTC)
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LOL, that's the thing, huh? Mary-Sues are Mary-Sues because the author wants to be them (and I guess we have to admit that being close to Charlie Eppes would be NICE--hee).
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From:mistraltoes
Date:June 20th, 2006 01:12 am (UTC)
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I'm actually fairly neutral on Amita, but I don't imagine I'd give her anything like that high a score. Thing is, canon characters always have Mary-Sue-like qualities, because that's how they become interesting enough to tell stories about in the first place. My position is that a canon character can't be a Mary Sue unless the writer/s like him/her so much that they start (a) letting him/her take the focus away from the main character (cf. Wesley Crusher), (b) become so wonderful and special s/he's no longer believable (cr. Wesley Crusher again), or (c) get away with bad behavior and suffer no serious consequences because everybody (characters and/or writers) loves her (cf. Willow on Buffy).

Apropos of nothing, it annoys me that being a good singer is considered a characteristic of a Mary Sue. I know tons of people who are good singers.

Apropos of very little, my blatant self-insertion character Misty-Sue only gets a 22 on that quiz, and that's by checking even things that are nearly true. So I'm not a Mary Sue, I guess.
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From:kerravonsen
Date:June 20th, 2006 05:43 am (UTC)
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Apropos of nothing, it annoys me that being a good singer is considered a characteristic of a Mary Sue. I know tons of people who are good singers.

Yeah, that annoys me too, because I am a good singer, so something that's real about me is automatically declared to be unrealistic -- huh?
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From:izhilzha
Date:June 20th, 2006 05:07 pm (UTC)
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I kind of raised an eyebrow at the singing, too, because I sing rather well, and play an instrument, to boot. But I figured that tests like these don't necessarily list "unrealistic" attributes (adoption is perfectly realistic, to give one example) as much as they measure characteristics often found in Mary-Sue characters, and weight them according to what, and how many, a particular character has.

*shrug* Heck, even eyes changing color isn't unrealistic for Artsy--it's part of her genetic heritage in terms of "body language". *points to default icon of happy!Artsy*
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From:jd3000
Date:June 21st, 2006 04:52 am (UTC)
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For comparisoniness:



-JD
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From:mistraltoes
Date:June 21st, 2006 11:37 am (UTC)
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But I figured that tests like these don't necessarily list "unrealistic" attributes (adoption is perfectly realistic, to give one example) as much as they measure characteristics often found in Mary-Sue characters, and weight them according to what, and how many, a particular character has.

Well, going by the idea behind Mary Sues, I'd say what it's really counting is which characteristics come across as authorial wish-fulfillment. That's why the singing bit bothers me. I used to be a musician. I sang very well, and played about a dozen instruments. So to 'write what I know', it would be very nice to write in a musician, and yet my impression is that any original, plot-significant female character with musical talents--even a professional musician, who obviously needs to have musical talents to fulfill said role believably--would instantly be labeled a Mary Sue. In fact, if I go through and answer those questions as they would have applied to my teenage self, I'd be a Mary Sue. I think that's what really annoys me.
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From:jd3000
Date:June 20th, 2006 12:38 am (UTC)
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No, Artsy is not the 'classic' Mary Sue by a long run, she never became irritating. Much of this is only apparent with regards to the author.

And, BTW...

Aigh! I ran Observer through this:

53

50+
Definitely a Mary-Sue in both cases. Although role-playing is more lenient than fanfic writing, you should defintely consider toning down some of the Mary-Sue traits.


-JD
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From:izhilzha
Date:June 20th, 2006 12:58 am (UTC)
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No, Artsy is not the 'classic' Mary Sue by a long run, she never became irritating.

I didn't think so (I can name a few actual Mary-Sues/Marty-Stus from LICC, though!). It's mostly due to the fact that our particular RPG had, as "normal," weird backgrounds and coloring and powers....

That goes for Obsy, too, actually. I bet he garnered most of his points under the "past angst," "special powers," and "romance" levels, right? Artsy's score would have been even higher if I hadn't limited her to the run of LICC (I left Never Fade and the future stories where she and Obsy marry off in the blue distance).
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From:jd3000
Date:June 20th, 2006 02:55 am (UTC)
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That's very true, LICC was not your typical RPG, by a long shot.

And the amnesia, powers, and romance were big contributors to Obsy's score, but the fact that he speaks at least ten languages (by virtue of his enlarged lifespan, another big score-tipper) accounted for much.

Speaking of Never Fade... :-D

-JD
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From:izhilzha
Date:June 20th, 2006 05:03 pm (UTC)
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Oh, yes, the languages. :-)

Speaking of Never Fade... :-D

Ah...soon? Maybe I can work on it while I'm on the plane this weekend? I've been busy preparing for a trip. I kind of know what I'm doing, but haven't had time to write it yet....
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From:scorptilicus
Date:June 20th, 2006 03:03 am (UTC)
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You guys think you're bad. I ran Rikard through that thing and got into the 60s. It would be interesting to see what Adon would get.

Artsy never struck me as much of a Mary Sue. Then again, some of the characters were so larger than life that she seemed more centered and toned down in comparison.
From:(Anonymous)
Date:June 20th, 2006 03:04 am (UTC)
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This is also the first time I realized that I've had Rikard hint at falling for at least three major characters. And possibly one minor.
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From:izhilzha
Date:June 20th, 2006 04:58 pm (UTC)
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It would be interesting to see what Adon would get.

Or whatshisname, the dude with the teal armor. *g* He'd get all the RPG-annoyance points.

Artsy never struck me as much of a Mary Sue. Then again, some of the characters were so larger than life that she seemed more centered and toned down in comparison.

Mmmm. *looks away* That was on purpose, actually. I didn't want to be quite like the rest. That's also why her powers are mostly "organic" instead of involving technology and weapons. (Hmm. Then she got a telepathic little kid and a living ship. I never realized how much that difference carried over.)

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From:scorptilicus
Date:June 20th, 2006 10:37 pm (UTC)
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Or whatshisname, the dude with the teal armor. *g* He'd get all the RPG-annoyance points.


Oh, I know!! Rocket Ranger! He drove me up the wall. Whenever I'm reading the old boards to I work on the Compendium he's still aggravating. Maybe that's why I never thought of my character(s) as a Gary Stu. He was always with those guys.
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From:jd3000
Date:June 21st, 2006 03:25 am (UTC)
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The Galactic Order will imprison you for disrespect of a Ranger; after all, they rule the entire universe and several time zones.

-JD
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From:lizamanynames
Date:June 20th, 2006 07:44 am (UTC)
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*winces*

I ran one of my Farscape characters through this... she came out much higher than I'd like...
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From:sciencewizard
Date:June 26th, 2006 11:14 pm (UTC)
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I wouldn't be as concerned about Artsy. It's a little different in LICC, since there isn't as much of a "canon" to work with. Frangelica scored as a 25, and she was basically created to fill a hole in the action.

Nice litmus test, btw. I may run my other characters through it and see how they come out.
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From:izhilzha
Date:July 5th, 2006 05:20 pm (UTC)
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Kira! That's you, right? I had no idea you were on LJ. May I friend you?
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From:sciencewizard
Date:July 6th, 2006 07:18 pm (UTC)
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Absolutely! I ran into JD on AIM a few weeks ago, and he gave me the URL's for the big four who are still around. Friend away! Good to hear from ya!
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From:izhilzha
Date:July 6th, 2006 07:36 pm (UTC)
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Yay! That's four LICCers on my flist! *dances for joy*

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