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June 20th, 2006


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10:35 pm - What should I watch next, Who fans?
Okay. I have now finished Paul Cornell's novel Human Nature (quite right, rj_anderson, it was brilliant...and I feel somehow as if a lot of its mood overlapped into your fic "Communion". I mean that in the most complimentary way possible, you know.), and Lance Parkin's The Dying Days.

I'm realizing that yes, I do like the Doctor no matter his incarnation; and also that it's been far too long since I had a fandom that was less about destiny and more about taking the adventure that comes to us.

And I have a huge, terribly meta post brewing in my mind. It's probably everything other Christian fans of Dr. Who have said better than I shall say it, and all of you will pat me on the head and say, yes, yes, dear, now go watch some more. *g*

In that spirit, I dug around and found some tapes that vertigozooropa made me when he was trying to get me into Who several years back.


Here's the list, by Doctor and by title:

Two: "Tomb of the Cybermen" (I actually watched this a while back, and recall liking this Doctor quite a lot; the cybermats didn't hurt either.)

Three: "Spearhead From Space"

Four: "Ark In Space"
I understand that these next 3 are part of a six-story arc.
"The Ribos Operation" "The Pirate Planet" "The Stones of Blood"

Five: "Caves of Androzani" (I had watched this one long ago, because it was Five, and just rewatched it on Sunday, and enjoyed it immensely. Five is quite lovable--I wanted to give him hugs.)

I have no episodes with Six.

Seven: "Remembrance of the Daleks"

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From:kerravonsen
Date:June 21st, 2006 06:09 am (UTC)
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Well, "Spearhead From Space" would be worth watching for a number of reasons: first, it's the first episode with the 3rd Doctor; second, it gives you more background for the Monster we saw in the 9th-Doctor episode "Rose".

"Ark In Space" is also a good one, just as a generally good episode. It has good Doctor + Sarah-Jane interaction. This one is actually the first in a sequence of episodes which follow on from each other:
- Ark In Space
- The Sontaran Experiment
- Genesis of the Daleks
- Revenge of the Cybermen

If you can, try at least to get hold of "Genesis of the Daleks", since it sheds some very interesting light on the Daleks, their origins, and the Time Lords.

"Caves of Androzani" is definitely worth watching, but as you've just recently rewatched it, better to watch the others first.

"The Ribos Operation" "The Pirate Planet" "The Stones of Blood" -- yes, they are part of the "Key To Time" epic... it might be better to see if you can get hold of all six of them, and watch them all in order.
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From:izhilzha
Date:June 21st, 2006 06:02 pm (UTC)
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Well, "Spearhead From Space" would be worth watching for a number of reasons: first, it's the first episode with the 3rd Doctor; second, it gives you more background for the Monster we saw in the 9th-Doctor episode "Rose".

Well, now, those sound like excellent reasons.

I may have to save the others until, as you point out, I can get my hands on the rest of the arcs.
From:(Anonymous)
Date:June 21st, 2006 11:41 am (UTC)
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Shortly, you shall have access to "The Key to Time" series, of which "Ark in Space" is a part. You shall also have access to "Remembrance of the Daleks" as well as "The Five Doctors." And, as I've said, the original eps with the First Doctor.

Don't know what else is in the collection because, well, it's not my collection. My contributions to your fandom edification are from a completely different and far more Earth-bound fandom, though the tropical scenery is very pretty. :-)

And time is of the essence, so we must be selective. Will try to make a list today.

Cheers,
V.
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From:izhilzha
Date:June 21st, 2006 06:04 pm (UTC)
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Hee. I was going to ask if Geo had the rest of "The Key to Time". Not to watch there, maybe, but so I could bribe him to run me off a copy or something...?
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From:kerravonsen
Date:June 21st, 2006 09:25 pm (UTC)
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Er, pedantic correction -- "Ark in Space" is NOT part of the "Key to Time" series. The "Key to Time" series is the one that starts with "The Ribos Operation".
From:(Anonymous)
Date:June 22nd, 2006 01:04 am (UTC)
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I admit that I have to claim ignorance on this because, for the most part, I'm usually multi-tasking or just passing through when the old Who DVDs are playing.

*checking how the DVDs are marked*

Ah! I see. Okay. Well, Izzy, we do have both--both the AiS and what I assume is the entire KtT series (five discs in all and each marked with a nifty little gem stone on the spine). Plus a lot of other stuff. I'll e-mail you and let you know what we have. More than I realized, that's for sure.

I stand properly corrected. :-)

V.
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From:vertigozooropa
Date:June 21st, 2006 02:18 pm (UTC)
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Remembrance is a great episode, but you need to watch part 1 of "An Unearthly Child" before you watch it, or you lose some of the effect.

I recommend any episode written by Robert Holmes, so Spearhead and Ribos are both good (or am I mistaken?).

And The Pirate Planet was written by Douglas Adams, so....
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From:izhilzha
Date:June 21st, 2006 06:05 pm (UTC)
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It looks like "Spearhead" has gotten two solid votes now, so that may well be my next viewing!

And The Pirate Planet was written by Douglas Adams, so....

Ha! I knew he'd written some Who, but wasn't sure of the era. Yay.
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From:vertigozooropa
Date:June 21st, 2006 08:11 pm (UTC)
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The one you need to get ahold of is City of Death. It was voted one of the top ten sci-fi episodes in television history. It's credited to David Agnew, but that's a pseudonym. Adams couldn't take credit for it because he was also script editor (and somehow that wasn't allowed).

I have a vague memory of bootlegging you some episodes onto a tape. Is that what we're talking about?

You won't get the real effect of Spearhead From Space, because you aren't coming from the right direction. Your best hope is to watch it immediately after Tomb of the Cybermen.

It was the first colour episode, you see.
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From:izhilzha
Date:June 21st, 2006 09:04 pm (UTC)
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I have a vague memory of bootlegging you some episodes onto a tape. Is that what we're talking about?

Hee. Yes. Three tapes' worth, actually (plus a REALLY bootleg copy of The Two Towers pre-DVD-release, lol).

You won't get the real effect of Spearhead From Space, because you aren't coming from the right direction. Your best hope is to watch it immediately after Tomb of the Cybermen.

It was the first colour episode, you see.


Well, I do have (and have watched) Tomb of the Cybermen, which is black-and-white yes? Though I'm quite resigned to not getting the "real effects" of a lot of Who, since I'm jumping into it all so very late. *shrug*
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From:kerravonsen
Date:June 21st, 2006 09:28 pm (UTC)
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Though I'm quite resigned to not getting the "real effects" of a lot of Who, since I'm jumping into it all so very late.

I will reassure you on this part -- most of the "old school" fans got their first taste of Doctor who with the 4th Doctor, including me -- I actually saw the 4th Doctor first, and then when they were doing repeats, I caught up on the 3rd Doctor, but I still haven't seen hardly anything of #1 and #2.
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From:izhilzha
Date:June 21st, 2006 11:43 pm (UTC)
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I will reassure you on this part -- most of the "old school" fans got their first taste of Doctor who with the 4th Doctor, including me -- I actually saw the 4th Doctor first, and then when they were doing repeats, I caught up on the 3rd Doctor, but I still haven't seen hardly anything of #1 and #2.

Well, alot of #1 and #2 are missing, aren't they? I was going through the wikipedia files on the missing episodes today, out of curiosity....

I do feel reassured; one nice thing about having so many fans in the fandom before oneself is that they're around to kind of help one find one's way.
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From:kerravonsen
Date:June 22nd, 2006 12:16 am (UTC)
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one nice thing about having so many fans in the fandom before oneself is that they're around to kind of help one find one's way

As long as you don't let us indoctrinate you as to what you should or shouldn't like, or how particular episodes are "supposed to" be interpreted, that is... (mutters to self: must get around to posting about canon and Canon...)
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From:izhilzha
Date:June 22nd, 2006 12:30 am (UTC)
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As long as you don't let us indoctrinate you as to what you should or shouldn't like, or how particular episodes are "supposed to" be interpreted, that is...

I think all the reassurance just got cancelled out. *g* I was aware that the DW fandom has plenty of theories and squabbles (how could it not, it's so wide-ranging). I think I've enough mental strength to make my own mind up, though. One of my RL friends has been trying to convince me that it's impossible NOT to 'ship Rose/Nine, and I still disagree with her. [In fact, getting all literary about it, Capt. Jack was a brilliant foil character for the Doctor.]

(mutters to self: must get around to posting about canon and Canon...)

What, is it kind of like Canon=TV, canon=other media (clings to Chris Cwej), and then the rest is fanon? I am all eager to learn and learn--I love the beginning days in a fandom. I do. :-)
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From:kerravonsen
Date:June 22nd, 2006 01:12 am (UTC)
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I think all the reassurance just got cancelled out.

Well, I wasn't thinking of Who fandom in particular, more like B7 or Sentinel fandom, where sometimes groups of fans sit down a newbie in front of a TV, show them episodes, and tell them how it should be interpreted...

One of my RL friends has been trying to convince me that it's impossible NOT to 'ship Rose/Nine, and I still disagree with her.

Ah well, you're in no danger, then.

What, is it kind of like Canon=TV, canon=other media (clings to Chris Cwej), and then the rest is fanon?

No, it's not a Who-specific idea, more about the similarities between religious canon and fannish canon...
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From:izhilzha
Date:June 22nd, 2006 06:13 am (UTC)
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where sometimes groups of fans sit down a newbie in front of a TV, show them episodes, and tell them how it should be interpreted...

You know what? I've heard of this happening, and to a moderate extent I may even be guilty of it myself; but I don't think it's ever happened to me. Mostly because I discovered most of my fannish things by myself, or at least watched them by myself. TS was probably closest, as I read much fanfic before actually getting tapes to watch, and had a terribly fun time sorting canon from fanon as I went through the episodes.

No, it's not a Who-specific idea, more about the similarities between religious canon and fannish canon...

Oh, I see! Now you've made me curious. When are you posting about this? :-)
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From:kerravonsen
Date:June 22nd, 2006 06:51 am (UTC)
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TS was probably closest, as I read much fanfic before actually getting tapes to watch, and had a terribly fun time sorting canon from fanon as I went through the episodes.

Yeah, that seems to be the most fanon-full of fandoms I'm in too.

When are you posting about this?

When it is finished. 8-)

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