January 12th, 2006
|01:11 pm - Forensic linguistics....who knew?|
For all you fans of CSI, other mystery shows, or language, check out this article.
I had no idea that linguistics could be used in the area of law enforcement. I mean, it does kinda make sense...but I'd never thought about it before!
When are we gonna see THIS on CSI?
Current Mood: impressed
|Date:||January 12th, 2006 10:26 pm (UTC)|| |
There's no blood, no gore, and no chance to make bad taste jokes. So the answer to your question is: NEVER.
|Date:||January 12th, 2006 10:44 pm (UTC)|| |
You seem a little contentious, neighbor.
|Date:||January 12th, 2006 10:50 pm (UTC)|| |
*astonished*: It is "contentious" to say that CSI gets by on a quota of gore? Next I'll be warned not to assert too loudly that water is wet.
Well, JD beat me to his comment.... May I assume you actually watch CSI, and aren't just having a kneejerk reaction to a popular TV show? Because sure, being about forensic evidence, there is going to be gore, but that is not (imho) what has made the show a phenomenon. That nod goes to the meticulous puzzle-solving mentality of the show, plus a really integrated (not to mention talented) ensemble cast.
I'll admit that it sometimes has jokes that are "in poor taste," but I ask you to show me anyone working in that type of field (medical, law enforcement, or forensic) who *doesn't* have a black or somewhat "inappropriate" sense of humor. :-P They gotta cope somehow.
|Date:||January 12th, 2006 11:08 pm (UTC)|| |
Er, you haven't actually contradicted anything I said. My point would rather be that, whatever the quality of the show (as of the British show SILENT WITNESS, on a rather similar subject, or of Patricia Cornwell's novels), the very choice of a forensic medicine laboratory as its setting means that you have chosen to make use of a certain kind of material. You may have as much taste and fine writing as you like, but if you set a series in a men's magazine publishing operation, you would not escape the suspicion of wanting to sell it in part on nude girlies.
Er, you haven't actually contradicted anything I said.
Well, I wasn't trying to contradict facts. I was trying to contradict the "high-brow snubbing" that I felt from your first comment. :-P Just because a TV show has a setting that involves getting into the insides of things (not just bodies) doesn't mean that it does so simply to pander to the masses' taste for shock value. I find the assumption that such pandering exists, therefore a show like CSI must owe its success to this, annoying, and that means I will defend generally intelligent and well-made shows like CSI (though not for all episodes).
[The masses want shocking stuff? Let them watch nip/tuck. ]
|Date:||January 13th, 2006 06:11 am (UTC)|| |
That is rather an extreme comparison. If I wanted to be as extreme, I would say that it is not unlike justifying Sex and the City/i> by invoking outright porn.
I will admit that I do not watch CSI. I watched a few episodes but lost interest, because in this country it is broadcast between ten and eleven in the evening. Not only does it clash with the main news programs which I wanted to watch, but I also found it a singularly stressful way to end the day. I dare say I may have seen the wrong episodes.
Oh, btw, I bet we will see forensic linguistic at some point on the show, now that it's gotten an article in teh Washington Post. We did get to see forensic artists, after all. (no gore there, btw.)
|Date:||January 12th, 2006 11:03 pm (UTC)|| |
|Date:||January 12th, 2006 10:43 pm (UTC)|| |
That is a very cool field of study, and something too often overlooked. A person's choice of terminology in daily conversation can really be a roadmap to that person's experiences and environment.
|Date:||January 12th, 2006 10:58 pm (UTC)|| |
I had heard about it. It has been used in Britain to break at least one miscarriage of justice, where a purported confession was shown by linguistics expert not to have been written by the supposed culprit, but by the cops who had charged him. Everything can be evidential - did you know that there is such a thing as forensic archaeology?
did you know that there is such a thing as forensic archaeology?
Yeah...forensic anthropology, too. :-) I guess I thought of those fields as being more "evidence-based" than linguistics. Which is quite silly.
*nods* Yeah, they covered this in my Ling 220 class, and my first reactions was O_o, but it DOES make sense - and I will either be one HAPPY camper if they do a CSI eppy on it, or I will be screaming at them for getting it all wrong. :)
*snerk* Cool! If/when they do, we'll have a nice discussion about it here on my LJ.
Cool! Not enough linguistics in fiction!
Like in Babel-17, which flattened me with its greatness. :-) Space opera meets linguistic philosophy, that's how I describe that book to people. (I saw earlier that you'd read it and marked it as very cool. I could not agree more.)
|Date:||January 13th, 2006 04:14 am (UTC)|| |
As a related aside . . .
When I was in college, one of my good friends was on the forensics team. It took me a while to get used to the idea that "forensic" in this context had nothing to do with criminal investigation--rather she was on the "speech" team (more specifically, a debate team, I think), as the word "forensic" means that something deals with public debate or formal argumentation. The forensic team competed in public speaking against other such teams from other schools. It was part of the Theatre department, iirc.
So when I saw the title "forensic linguistics," it seemed . . . odd? Redundant? . . . to me. Threw me back to my college days, at any rate. :-)
Lingual patterns, huh? Why do I see Charlie laying a case out with someone from the university's forensics team before Don brings in the forensic linguists? ;-)
|Date:||January 13th, 2006 06:16 am (UTC)|| |
Re: As a related aside . . .
In this case, "forensic" means "to do with the law courts", Latin fora. It is, admittedly, a modern and American development, and in general the usage you mention is rather more universal. "Forensic" medicine or archaeology or anthropology is medicine or archaeology or anthropology that is used by the law courts. As you point out, the terms "forensic linguistics," let alone "forensic linguistic philosophy," could have at least two different meanings.
|Date:||January 13th, 2006 02:09 pm (UTC)|| |
Re: As a related aside . . .
"So when I saw the title "forensic linguistics," it seemed . . . odd? Redundant? . . . to me."
*Obvious*. That's the word I was fishing for last night. (Lack of sleep does wonders for *my* lingual skills. :-P) I says to myself, says I, "Self, of course forensics deals with linguistics. It's the art of public speaking and argumentation." Heh.
Not that this adds a blessed thing to the conversation.