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June 13th, 2006


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09:11 am - I've finished watching New Dr. Who....
Just saw "Parting of the Ways" on Sunday night. Having spoiled myself for several plot points somehow didn't make it any less impactful.

However, I think I'm in mourning. I thought I'd be okay with the regeneration, but instead I completely recoiled from the 20 seconds we got of Ten. I must have fallen rather thoroughly for Nine--or is this reaction normal, when losing one's first Doctor? but apparently I'm not.

Recommendations of really good fic or Dr. Who novels featuring Nine would be extremely welcome.

As would any thoughts from old school fans as to what I should go back and watch over the time until they air the next season here in the States, and where I might get my hands on such.

Oh! I wanted to ask this question, too, in reference to historical Dr. Who (rj_anderson, this is specifically directed at you, actually):

Okay. Could someone fill me in on what we know about the TARDIS? Because I could swear that was more than just Rose talking. My Doctor, indeed. What do we know about the heart of the TARDIS, and had it ever been seen or talked about before "BoomTown"?

Because I stepped into the edge of Who fandom through rj_anderson's 11th Doctor stories, and she had to get her lovely TARDIS-as-transcendent stuff somewhere, and this whole thing reminded me of those stories so, so much.

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From:wychwood
Date:June 13th, 2006 10:57 pm (UTC)
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I understand that it is traditional for viewers to imprint on their first Doctor, whichever he may have been, rather like a duckling *g*. I quite like Ten, but he's really not replaced Nine for me.
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From:izhilzha
Date:June 13th, 2006 10:59 pm (UTC)
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LOL! Well, that explains it as well as anything--particularly considering that I find Ten more physically attractive than Nine (much more, in fact) but I still recoiled so strongly. He's not My Doctor.

Hopefully I'll get used to him, anyway. :-) Because My Doctor or not, he is still The Doctor.

Wow, I need a Ninth icon.
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From:vertigozooropa
Date:June 13th, 2006 11:24 pm (UTC)
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It's generally the case that you imprint upon your first Doctor, but it comes in varying degrees.

Most people in the US saw Tom Baker almost exclusively, because those were the episodes that PBS bought. They didn't even know about other Doctors until it just...happened.

My first Doctor was Paul McGann, so I guess that makes me his only fan. :-P

I've seen much or most of all the Doctors, including the rare ones from one-offs, skits, the cartoon, etc., so I have as much experience as you can with switching between Doctors. I like the nicer ones most, Patrick Troughton (2), Peter Davison (5), Tom Baker (4).

Christopher Eccleston is a whole new type of Doctor, and I have trouble equating him to the old-school Doctors. He's like a new first Doctor. I do miss him, though. He might be my favorite, overall, if I was to choose. David Tennant isn't bad. He's just not the amazing 9th Doctor.

The heart of the TARDIS is a controversial thing. In the TVM (1996, Paul McGann), we learned that the TARDIS is powered by the Eye of Harmony, a black hole on Gallifrey, and that the black hole is also inside the TARDIS.

I can't think of any prior instance of the TARDIS actually taking on a personality. The Doctor talks about it like it is a person, but we haven't seen much of that.

Much of the esoterica of the TARDIS mythology comes from the novels, and I haven't read many, and none of them lately.

I do have one written by Russell T. Davies, though.

As for what you should watch, I'd recommend....anything. Anything from the 70's or 80's.

I mean, basically, watch what you can get your hands on. If you had better than dial-up, I'd say you could download a lot of eps, but since you don't, the best I can do is recommend you look through all your local video stores and libraries.

Or, you know, move to Surrey.
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From:izhilzha
Date:June 13th, 2006 11:32 pm (UTC)
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My first Doctor was Paul McGann, so I guess that makes me his only fan. :-P

No, he's got other fans. And technically, he was my first Doctor, because the first Dr. Who thing I ever saw was that TV movie. I had no clue when I watched it, and though I recall liking it, he didn't make a huge impression on me--too Byronic, I think. :-)

And I've seen a few episodes with earlier Doctors--what did you give me? Some Tom Baker, I think. Which Doctor is it in "Battlefields"?

Much of the esoterica of the TARDIS mythology comes from the novels, and I haven't read many, and none of them lately.

Well, that might explain some things.

I mean, basically, watch what you can get your hands on. If you had better than dial-up, I'd say you could download a lot of eps, but since you don't, the best I can do is recommend you look through all your local video stores and libraries.

Yeah, right. Well, hooray for the huge LA public library system....

Or, you know, move to Surrey.

*snerk* I'll keep that in mind.
From:(Anonymous)
Date:June 13th, 2006 11:42 pm (UTC)
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Psst. Um, Izzy? In a couple weeks, you'll have access to the very first evereverever eps of Dr. Who. From . . . oh, I don't know . . . 1963? In b&w. Elderly Doctor who traveled with his granddaughter . . . Susan, I think. And two of her teachers. You want to talk about personality tranformation? Wow.

I've seen several eps with Tom Baker, but I think this Ninth Doctor is probably "my Doctor." It's the first version that I really didn't do much multi-tasking while I was watching because I was just so rivited. And the sense of humor is just so snarky. :-)

So. Right. Carry on.

V.
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From:izhilzha
Date:June 14th, 2006 12:06 am (UTC)
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Psst. Um, Izzy? In a couple weeks, you'll have access to the very first evereverever eps of Dr. Who.

Oh *really*? *does happy dance*
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From:rj_anderson
Date:June 14th, 2006 12:11 am (UTC)
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The first Doctor I ever saw was Jon Pertwee (3), but I never took to him. Too frilly and James Bond-esque. Fortunately it was only a little bit afterward that I first saw Tom Baker (4) -- the scarf, the curls, the boots, the relentless wry wit -- and I was completely hooked on Doctor Who from that point on.

However, much as I appreciated Four in a kind of avuncular way, "my" Doctor is Peter Davison (5), who saw me through the throes of puberty (and how). To this day I still see red when I hear anybody describing Five as "bland" or otherwise disparaging his character.

Didn't like Colin Baker (6) at all, though -- to the extent that I skipped all but the first two of his episodes and still have no desire to see them. I didn't like Sylvester McCoy (7) at first either, but got suckered into loving him years later via the Virgin New Adventures novels, and then went back and watched his episodes with much more appreciation.

On the other hand, I did very much like Paul McGann (8), even if the TVM was a bit, um, something. I'm still sorry that he didn't get to play the role again on-screen. And I wasn't entirely comfortable with Nine as the Doctor at first, because the whole leather-jacketed, angsty, superficially tough persona just didn't seem very Doctorish to me. But I stuck with it because Eccleston is a fine actor, and I liked Rose, and I wanted to see where the show was headed -- and by the time he regenerated, I knew I was going to miss him a lot.

I wasn't anywhere near sold on David Tennant after PotW either, although I'd wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt. It wasn't until I saw "The Christmas Invasion" that I found myself saying "Oh yes, this is the Doctor." And now, in spite of some uneven scripts and odd behavioural tics over the course of S2 to date, I like Ten very much indeed.

None of which answers your question about the TARDIS, of course. I got it all out of the Virgin novels, mostly Paul Cornell's Human Nature. The series up to that point tended to treat the TARDIS much more as a machine with wonky parts and odd habits (like an old jalopy) than as a sentient being in its own right. But the books have leaned much more heavily over to the TARDIS-as-sentient side of the equation, up to an including having one of the Doctor's companions turn into a TARDIS (to which I said "OI!" because as you know, I got there first *g*).
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From:vertigozooropa
Date:June 14th, 2006 02:13 am (UTC)
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The Twin Dilemma is a tough episode to watch.

Revelation of the Daleks is good, though.

I've not seen Trial of a Timelord, save for the first episode, which I enjoyed.

You just have to take ColinDoc as he is, without expecting him to be Peter.
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From:vertigozooropa
Date:June 14th, 2006 02:14 am (UTC)
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From:vertigozooropa
Date:June 14th, 2006 04:24 am (UTC)
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Oh, Sarah, I have a treat for you:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/classic/ebooks/lungbarrow/prologue/page1.shtml


If you're looking for a Doctor Who book to read, read this one. It's quite something.

I haven't read it, but there's a reason for that: a physical copy of it is rare and quite expensive. That's because the BBC rescinded publication rights for the Doctor Who books in 1996, just before the TVM, and that last four books in the range were under-published. This is unfortunate, because the second-to-last book is the last adventure of the seventh Doctor, prior to his regeneration, and it contains some of the most important mythology about the Doctor.

The canonicity of the revelations is disputable, because they never made it into an episode. But they were meant to. If there had been one more season, Lungbarrow would have been part of the show, and we'd all know who the Doctor really is.

So, here I offer you the BBC's web-publication of Lungbarrow. Enjoy.
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From:kerravonsen
Date:June 14th, 2006 12:14 pm (UTC)
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I haven't read it, but there's a reason for that: a physical copy of it is rare and quite expensive.

Oh really? (looks at own copies of "Lungbarrow" and "The Dying Days" with a bit more respect)

Personally I don't take all the NA stuff as canon at all, it seems a bit iffy to me. Not that I mind when it's used, but the TV will be the definitive canon for me.
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From:kerravonsen
Date:June 14th, 2006 12:10 pm (UTC)

Possibly Unwelcome Interruption

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(Ahem)

Er, excuse me. I notice on your userpics page how you wish you could remember where you found that icon? Well, it's mine, but I'm also afraid that I haven't actually released it for public use, it's exclusive to me. I kind of did a double-take when I saw it, saying to myself "Eh, I haven't posted on this thread yet, have I?" and then "I'm sure I didn't release this icon, did I?" and went and double-checked on ka_iconage and I haven't. So I'm afraid I'm going to have to ask you to take it down.

However, to cheer you up, I'll point out that the original digial art of mine is free to download and use as desktop wallpaper, if you so choose.
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From:kerravonsen
Date:June 14th, 2006 12:30 pm (UTC)
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Recommendations of really good fic or Dr. Who novels featuring Nine would be extremely welcome.

Well, the official Nine novels aren't up to the complexity of the earlier
Seven and Eight novels, they seem to be aimed at a younger audience, but four of the six of the ones I've read are reasonably good:
- "The Clockwise Man" by Justin Richards
- "The Monsters Inside" by Stephen Cole
- "Winner Takes All" by Jacqueline Rayner
- "The Deviant Strain" by Justin Richards

Fic with Nine... (hangs head in guilt) I have some fic in my pile to review, but I haven't gotten to them yet. Of the ones I have reviewed, there are three set in the 9th-Doctor era (links to reviews):
- 18 Seconds
- Ivory and Horn
- Upon A Time

There have also been a few ficathons around LJ (which is where I picked up some of these stories); you might want to check out
Ninth Doctor Ficathon and the New Who minor characters ficathon (caveat lector). Hmmm, actually I should go back and check these out again, I haven't read them all.
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From:izhilzha
Date:June 14th, 2006 05:49 pm (UTC)
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*luvs your icon to pieces*

Well, the official Nine novels aren't up to the complexity of the earlier
Seven and Eight novels


Bummer. Well, I won't buy them right off then, maybe my library has them!

I admit that I poked through your fic reccs yesterday--Ivory and Horn kinda threw me (I don't think I'm ready to ship those two in any fashion), but that author had a couple of other fics that I found quite excellent. And Upon A Time was utterly wonderful.

Thanks for the ficathon links! That might give me some good stuff; I expect I'll have to watch my step a little (heh), but that's nothing new in my fandoms.

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